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Emma Stamm's avatar

Postman's arguments are compatible with the pope's encyclical on AI. Both carry on the grand conservative tradition of fetishizing humanness & both are really useful for those who win intellectual points through affective gestures and mysticism rather than analysis of material specifics. AI in particular is such an emotional topic right now - we're all a bit too primed to be taken in by this line of critique. It's soul-baiting.

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1. Postman always seemed to be making arguments similar to what's in The Closing of the American Mind. I never could take TCOTAM seriously but I thought Postman was onto something in his observations.

2. I thought Postman was exaggerating the amount of media that's superficial and dulling. There's always been thought provoking video. I'm a little bit surprised he wasn't bothered by music as I'm writing this.

True with the internet there's so much more entertainment. Some people get entertained by documentaries, by anthropology, by science podcasts or books, by personal drama, TikTok, politics and doomscrolling. Like the Last Psychiatrist said, if you're engaging with it, even if it pisses you off, it's for you. So yes we are amusing ourselves. But if people are choosing what they consume it's like saying everyone is drinking themselves to death when only a few people are alcoholics consuming most of the alcohol.

My point is what he noticed was true. I just wasn't sure it was as pervasive as he thought. Maybe because I don't think media had as much ability to turn people's minds off and. Humans have been turning their minds off from what they're not interested since it could rub two sticks together. That type of claim assumes advertising really is mind control. It only works by being pervasive, drawing attention to itself. But all this comes from capitalism.

3. Naomi Klein showed in No Labels that capitalism poaches off the counterculture and destroys and channels its radicalism into being performative and displacing emotions and energy away from participation. But that a counterfactual is the counterculture exists and is also pervasive because the mainstream constantly reacts to it not as affirmation but seeing it as threat so if the counterculture is legible maybe not as many people are amusing themselves to death but exploring through the media as humans have always done.

4. So many fears about other humans being dulled by media is sus because the person pushing that idea always other people aren't as aware and have no agency. Everyone else is sheeple. What's odd is how that sort of cynicism is so conventional. Again this leads me to doubt how much of what Postman is drawing attention to is because of media and people's laziness and being malleable instead of looking at how people were seeking out what aligns with them once there were more options than broadcast TV.

5. With billions of humans creating content, sharing it and consuming it I find it difficult to believe that the videos on YouTube and other social media are the problem. Doomscrolling is a problem but that might be related to isolation is more common, work and adulting take so much time and the lack of anchors that get people socializing in person because there communal spaces that make that labor we do legible to each other and making participating very easy.

But that requires a vision of what we want and how to build for that instead of consuming capitalist realism and treating these technologies and the predictions of their effects as possibilities, some ludicrous but most are relying on force. Nobody forced us to switch to smart phones. We all did because it fit a need. There didn't have to a hype of what it might do.

Concluding as you point out the way to minimize the number of people who fit into Postman's mold is by collective action and governance instead of Jeremiads. But hey, Jeremiads are easier and they will never go out of style because they amuse some people. And distracting ourselves from knowing we are going to die is just what humans will keep doing.

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